從最佳總經理到球迷公敵,美國火迷痛批火箭GM莫雷所犯的錯

從最佳總經理到球迷公敵,美國火迷痛批火箭GM莫雷所犯的錯

從最佳總經理到球迷公敵,美國火迷痛批火箭GM莫雷所犯的錯

Personally I think the trade that brought CP3 to the Rockets will go down as the biggest mistake in Morey's tenure and could eventually lead to his departure. Don't get me wrong because I'm really not trying to be overly critical of Morey as I do believe he is a top 5 GM in this league, but the trade for CP3 was a mistake. We gave up on young talent and surrendered too much depth considering where Paul is in his career.我個人認為交易來保羅是莫雷任期內最大的敗筆,並且這可能導致他最終捲鋪蓋走人。不要覺得我在黑莫雷,我一直認為他是聯盟前五的總經理,但交易來保羅是真不應該。為了保羅我們放走了年輕潛力新秀削弱了陣容深度,看看保羅的狀態,這一切都不值得。

We wanted a star to pair with Harden so bad that we jumped on the first one within reach and that just happened to be CP3. His age and injury history seemed to be overlooked. Paul was brought here to alleviate some of the wear and tear on Harden so he could be fresh come playoff time. If this team is able to make the playoffs this season I argue that we will probably see the most worn out and tired version of Harden that we've ever seen due to his increased responsibilities in Paul's frequent absences. 我們太渴望一個球星來幫助哈登了,所以我們慌慌張張的選了一個,那個球員正好是保羅。我們忽略了保羅的年齡和傷病史。交易來保羅是為了減輕哈登肩上的擔子,這樣哈登就可以有足夠體能在季後賽大殺四方。要是本賽季我火能打入季後賽,我覺得我們可能會看到有史以來最累的哈登,因為保羅老是缺陣,哈登肩上的擔子不輕反重。

I look at this team and wonder what happened and how the hell did it happen so fast? In my opinion everything leads back to that trade. Yes, we came close to beating the Warriors last season but at what cost? You now have an aging team in cap hell that is injury prone with a non NBA talent level bench. You almost couldn't ask for a worse combination for an NBA team. I hope we miraculously turn things around because I want the Rockets to get back to winning championships as much as anyone on this board, but when I take the homer glasses off I see a team that had a 1yr window and that now needs a total rebuild outside of Harden and Capela.我在想球隊打成這樣到底是發生了什麼事情?從上賽季聯盟第一到現在的隕落為何發生的如此之快?我覺得這一切都是保羅的交易造成的。的確,我們上賽季差一點就擊敗了勇士,但為此我們付出了多大的代價?現在球隊裡都是高齡球員還容易受傷病困擾,工資帽也超了,然後替補實力還很渣。翻遍全聯盟你找不到一個比我火更差的陣容組合。我希望我們能奇蹟般的扭轉局面,因為我跟你們一樣都希望火箭能重回奪冠的道路,但當我仔細一看,去年是問鼎機會最大的一年,現在球隊需要徹底重建。

You mean the trade that earned Morey the Executive of the Year award?

回覆:說了半天,你覺得莫雷犯的最大的錯是讓他得到年度最佳總經理的那個交易?

He went wrong when he assumed, based on his interaction with Harden and Paul that MDA and Melo would make it work.他錯在他在跟哈登和保羅聊過後就以為德安東尼和甜瓜能夠和諧共存。

Yes, he went wrong when he signed Anderson and horsed around with DMo instead of signing DMo. But we overcame that mistake last season. 是的,他錯在簽下了安德森,不籤莫泰。但上賽季我們解決了這些錯誤。

He went wrong (at least temporarily) in signing Capela and letting Ariza and Luc walk. I think this will be rectified by trade and will become a non-issue. 他錯在(至少是短期的)給了卡佩拉大合同並讓阿里扎和王子離隊。我覺得以後通過交易是可以彌補這些錯誤的。

But the Melo deal was the worst. If Morey had known Lebron was pulling CP3's leg and that MDA/Melo wasn't going to work he'd have taken a different course this past summer. And we wouldn't be so behind.但簽下甜瓜是最大的敗筆。如果莫雷早知道勒布朗去湖人不來火箭並且小鬍子和甜瓜根本搞不到一塊去,那麼休賽期他肯定會有不一樣的操作。我們現在也不會如此落後。

I'm going with letting Ariza walk , mainly because he cost them no assets to retain - It was just tax money and the fact that he had no way to acquire a similarly talented player as a replacement because none are / were available and if they are / were it would cost significant assets to acquire that player - assets the Rockets just don't have..我選的是讓阿里扎離隊,主要是因為阿里扎的離隊讓我們什麼也沒留下,只是省了稅錢,並且莫雷也找不到相同水準的球員來做阿里扎的替代品,因為市場上根本沒有,即使有,也得花大價錢才能弄回來,然而火箭根本搞不起。

Luc was / is injured … I wouldn't have kept him either but you had to keep one or the other then Ennis is a quality backup , not asked to be a starter.王子上賽季受傷了,現在又傷了。是我的話也不會留下王子。但王子和鐵扎你怎麼都該留一個吧,恩尼斯只能打替補而不是首發。

Melo was a low risk decision - it was a veterans minimum contract …. and a roster spot.簽下甜瓜是低風險的,畢竟用老將底薪就簽下了輪換球員。

Obviously the Anderson deal was a poor one but dictated by the market - specifically the HUGE jump in the cap that year - the same cap jump that allowed Durant to sign with those scrubs. You got to within a game of the finals with his contract on the books …. a negative but not earth shattering if you don't compound the mistake.

很明顯簽下安德森不是個明智的決定,但籤他的價格是由當時的市場決定的,那一年正好是工資帽大漲的時候,杜蘭特也簽了勇士。你要考慮到籤安德森是為了爭冠的,雖然合同爛掉了,但這筆簽約也不至於毫無用處。

Trading for CP3 got you to within a game of the finals , cant complain. That $40m a year for the next 4 years is going to really hurt at some point but , you had to make that move to keep your window open. You can win with a healthy CP3. His minutes have to be managed to limit injury , no quality backup hasn't allowed for that.

交易來保羅也是為了爭冠,這是無可厚非的。接下來4年,每年四千萬肯定在某一個時刻會傷害到球隊,但你當時不得不給出這樣的大合同來抓住奪冠窗口。有一個健康的保羅是可以拿到總冠軍的。我們需要嚴格控制他的上場時間來減少受傷幾率,但是現在保羅沒有一個合格的替補讓他不得不多出場。

They lack a couple pieces - quality backups at the 1 and 5 and a starting caliber 3/4.

火箭現在缺替補控衛和替補中鋒,也缺一個有首發實力的能打3號位和4號位的球員。

Promoting bench players to starters. You're not only playing your bench against their starters but now you have no bench - except scrubs.

讓替補實力的球員打首發。這樣不僅僅是用這群替補實力的球員去對抗別人的首發,這樣也讓你根本沒有替補,只剩下渣渣。

The Anderson contract by far

我覺得到目前為止要數安德森的簽約

Morey knew he was overpaying for Anderson but he did it anyway for the sake of the system.

莫雷當時知道是溢價合同,但他還是義無反顧的為了魔球體系給了安德森大合同。

With Paul you at least get a HOFer who is the best leader the team has had since Hakeem. Anderson put this team in a bind that forced it to move Trez and Co to get Paul.至於簽約保羅,你要這麼看。你至少是得到了一個名人堂級別的球員呀,這是火箭自大夢後迎來的最好的領袖。是安德森的大合同導致球隊不得不為了保羅交易走哈雷爾和其他球員。

OP still can't see that Chris Paul is the reason we got to a game 7, not James Harden.

我實在是不明白為啥你們覺得是保羅而不是哈登讓我們打到了西決第七場。

You got to within a game of the finals with that contract on the books … it was bad but acceptable in that you could play him against anyone but GSW getting PJ some rest.回覆:就像你說的籤安德森是為了爭冠,合同是給大了,但也不至於徹底是個爛合同,因為除了對陣勇士以外,安德森其他時候都能派上用場,這樣也給了塔克休息時間。

The real issue is that the wing situation is horrible - you have Ennis who is a backup as your only starting option besides a guy who is playing out of position and …. doesn't belong in the league in MCW.真正的問題是側翼太差了。恩尼斯本來是計劃作為替補結果卻因為沒人可用不得不打首發,除此之外你只剩個在NBA打不上球的邁卡威。

And I believe that the depth issues stem from Ryan Anderson's contract. His contract is what forced us to HAVE TO trade for CP3. We wouldn't be able to sign Paul that summer outright. Paul's contract now could have been worse believe it or not. He could have demanded that 5th year.回覆:我認為陣容深度方面的問題也是安德森的大合同導致的。他的大合同讓我們不得不付出球員來換回保羅。我們夏天沒辦法直接簽下保羅。你信不信,保羅的合同本可能會更糟,他本可以籤5年長約的。

Looking at The assets of this team is like looking at a dollar store hoping you can find high quality merchandise.看著球隊陣容就像在逛一元店希望能撿到寶。

First of all, anyone says Melo deal was the worst idea is just stupid and know nothing of Basketball. Melo was cheap low risk gamble. It doesn't put any financial constraints on us. Low risk high potential gamble.首先,那些說甜瓜的簽約是莫雷最大的黑點的都是傻叉根本不懂球。籤甜瓜是一個低成本低風險的賭博。簽下他對球隊並沒有薪金上的影響。這是一個低風險高回報的賭博。

CP3 signing was a must have wink wink deal we did. We knew and had to pay CP3 knowing all the risks prior to the trade and it got us one hamstring from a championship. Therefore that was not a bad deal. CP3 is still one of the best pg in the league right now.而保羅的交易肯定是涉及內幕的。在交易前我們就知道一切風險,就因腿筋受傷我們錯過了總冠軍。所以,換來保羅並不是個爛交易。現在保羅還是聯盟中最好的控衛之一。

Signing Anderson to that contract was the worst move, because he was clearly doesn't worth that amount. We were given him that contract solely due to the financial market at the time, where every team got huge amount of cap. Additionally, we tried to fix that problem by trading for two injury prone and a bust player. That trade started off the whole mess we are in right now.給安德森大合同才是莫雷最大的敗筆,因為很明顯安德森不值那個價。我們給他大合同只是市場行情所致,當時每支球隊的工資帽都大漲。此外,我們為了送走這個大合同吞下了兩個有傷病屬性的球員,其中一個還是個廢柴。這個交易之後,後面一切都亂套了。

The Melo deal stopped us from pursuing other rotation pieces because Morey was assuming he'd get regular rotation minutes, and we'd be good enough to go to the deadline and do our shopping for serious championship horses at that time. The MDA/Melo fiasco basically left us void of 30 minutes a game to fill. We're patching it with Ennis/Clark/Isaiah and those guys should be getting spot minutes at best. You compound that issue with the fact that Paul has been injured and suspended and you have what we are. 回覆:簽了甜瓜我們就沒有再去追求其他輪換球員,因為莫雷以為甜瓜可以有穩定的輪換時間,在交易截止日前甜瓜是夠用的。然後在那個時候再為了衝擊總冠軍招兵買馬。小鬍子和甜瓜的不歡而散讓我們現在每場要填30分鐘的空缺。我們在用恩尼斯克拉克哈滕和那些沒啥出場機會的球員填甜瓜走後的空缺。後來保羅又是受傷又是停賽的,所以我們才搞成現在這樣的局面。

He didn’t go wrong anywhere. If we have a healthy roster we’re right there with everybody else莫雷沒有錯。如果我們的陣容是健康的,我們肯定在本屬於我們的位置。

The CP3 trade was one of the best things he's ever done. That may have been the greatest Rockets team ever if not for injuries. 交易來保羅是莫雷最讚的交易之一。如果不是傷病,去年就是最好的火箭陣容了。

Unfortunately, that trade seemed to come with a handshake agreement about CP3's current contract. It looks bad now for sure. But if we had won it all last year, it would have been worth it. Oh well.不幸的是,保羅的交易肯定是附帶他現有合同的內幕條款的。這個大合同現在看起來肯定很糟糕。但如果我們去年拿到了總冠軍,這個合同就值了。哎,好吧。

CP3 contract was the stupidest and least analytical thing Morey could have ever done. Why would anyone pay top dollar for even a Ferrari if it’s known to have upwards of 100000 miles and known engine trouble? Stupid.給保羅四年1.6億是莫雷做的最愚蠢最不經腦袋的事情。為什麼會有人明知一輛法拉利已經跑了10萬英里並且發動機有毛病還會為其付大價錢呢? 腦袋被門夾了。

Again the romanticized notion that “we just need more All stars” is what seduced Morey into bad decisions. 再說一次,就是那句聽爛了的“我們需要更多的巨頭”害得莫雷昏招連連。

Meanwhile, look at the Clippers! The whole roster there has all the makings of a Morey constructed team. Yeoman roster with that great work spirit we so miss this year plus a good balance of talent. 同時,看看快船隊!陣容裡有莫雷魔球型球隊所需的一切球員。人家的陣容配置,球隊的化學反應以及人才的均衡,都令人羨慕不已。

You don’t pay top dollar for aging super stars. Much less give them four years guaranteed! Especially when ur budget is kept effectively flat. 你不該為走下坡路的超級球星給出大合同。你還在空間不夠的時候給的4年全額保障!

To do so is not intelligent risk taking. It’s gambling. Pure and simple.

這麼做不是聰明的承擔風險,這是純粹的賭博。

Chris Paul is going to handicap the Rockets for years. He’s is still a good player, but what was given up for him and the subsequent contract that he signed will ultimately kill this team and will probably be Morey’s undoing. There isn’t any getting out of this one like he did with Ryan Anderson. Unless he magically figures out a way to stop time and the aging process, I’m afraid that bad contract might look like a franchise killer two years from now.保羅的合同對火箭的傷害會是多年的。他仍舊是個好球員,但是為他付出的球員以及後面籤的這個大合同會害死火箭隊的,這都得莫雷背鍋。不像安德森的合同,保羅的大合同是甩不掉的。除非莫雷會像滅霸一樣停止時間並凍齡,我覺得保羅的合同在今後兩年都對火箭傷害不小。

The Anderson contract has probably been the Rockets biggest handicap in recent years. A lot of teams made contract mistakes during the cap spike by expecting continuous large increases. 給安德森開的大合同估計是火箭近年最大的敗筆。很多球隊在工資帽大漲時都犯了錯誤,他們以為工資帽每年都會大幅上漲。

Even though fans will complain about how much stars are making, the biggest problem for teams and cap and trade flexibility are usually the non-stars and role players who they give too much money too.即使球迷抱怨球星掙太多,但球隊,工資帽和交易靈活度上最大的問題其實是管理層也給非球星和角色球員開太大的合同了。

signing Ryno...he was worthless and costing us 20 mil, and then u trade him and get nothing of value that has helped us so far this season必須是安德森的簽約,他一無是處還花了我們兩千萬,然後你把他交易出去卻換來的都是對我們沒有任何幫助的球員。

Did you really just say trading for Paul will be his biggest error, when trading for Paul launched us into true title contention, and allowed us to be on the verge of toppling the greatest basketball team ever formed你們真的認為交易來保羅是莫雷最大的黑點?交易來保羅讓我們真正成為總冠軍競爭者,他讓我們差一點把有史以來組建的最好的球隊(勇士)給拉下馬。

Are you kidding me?

你們不是在開玩笑吧?

it is sad to me how many people like you don't understand the concept of opportunity cost. the rockets would not have been able to spend that money on other players. Lol你們這些人完全不懂什麼叫機會成本,我太失望了。即使不籤保羅,火箭也沒辦法用這些錢去籤其他球員。

Someone gets it! So many idiots here. Just like the ESPN analysts blaming morey for not retaining Ariza. Not only was he 15mio but add luxury tax on top. Be realistic. Its not 2K回覆:終於有懂行的了。論壇裡太多傻子。就像ESPN分析員怪莫雷沒有留住阿里扎。阿里扎要價1500萬呀,而且還要付奢侈稅。現實點吧,不是在打2K。

Throwing in First Round Picks Every Year makes a huge setback in the Roster Players Age, Youth, Athleticism, Talent Gap having a 1st Rd talent than the Rockets Players now with late 2nd Rd Players, Undrafted Rookies who are struggling to fit in right away. 1st Rd Talent are Rotation Ready if you Draft Correctly, which Daryl has been reckless throwing away 1st Rd Picks.每年把首輪籤都交易出去對球隊球員的平均年齡,年輕度,運動能力和天賦儲備都有影響。現在火箭隊都是一些二輪秀和落選新秀,他們沒辦法馬上融入球隊體系。如果你選的好的話,你的首輪秀是可以立馬進輪換陣容的,但是莫雷近些年老是不要首輪籤。

Weird how all of GS's main players stay in the same situation and ours left as soon as able.好奇怪,勇士的核心球員一直都在陣中而火箭的球員一個走的比一個快。

Multiple championships will make it easier for them to stay. And knowing that the management value long term chemistry.回覆:總冠軍會更容易把他們凝聚在一起。而且你要知道的是,人家的管理層更看重化學反應的長期穩定性。

Probably has something to do with them being an all time great team and having a top 3 player willingly take a paycut to play for an all time great team.回覆:這幾個核心球員一直在一起可能跟他們在一個史上最佳的球隊有關,並且隊內最好的三個球員還願意降薪來效力這支史上最佳球隊。

GSW will have to make hard decisions like the Rockets did this last offseason as the cap effects them too. They can't keep Curry, Thompson, Draymond, and Durant.

勇士也會像今年休賽期的火箭一樣做出艱難的選擇,因為工資帽對他們也有影響。他們沒辦法同時留住庫裡,湯普森,追夢和杜蘭特。

Truthfully, things went wrong when we decided to compete against an all time great team in the GSW.老實講,當我們決定要跟史上最佳的勇士隊爭冠軍的時候,一切都亂套了。


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