Luka Doncic with a behind-the-back bank shot fadeaway
盧卡-東契奇背後變向+後仰打板。
[–]Hornetsphiljacksonspeyote 1263 指標 1 天前
I keep forgetting how tall he is. He looks incredible out there, like a positionless player. Looks like he was worth tanking a season and giving up a protected 1st for.
我總是忘記東契奇有多高。他在場上看起來太不可思議了，似乎什麼位置都可以打。看起來他完全值得擺爛一賽季+放棄一個受保護的首輪籤。
[–]MavericksPourGnawgraphy 95 指標 1 天前
Keep going
獨行俠球迷：繼續吹不要停。
[–]Hornetsphiljacksonspeyote 115 指標 23 小時前
I’ve been watching this dude since last spring or so. Seeing him working with NBA players confirms what I’ve suspected all along, I think he’s going to be the most impactful player from this draft class. I’m pretty high on Jaren Jackson Jr. too for the record, but Luka is something special.
層主：我從去年春天就開始關注他了。看他和NBA球員一起打球的樣子恰好印證了我的猜想。我認為他將成為這屆新秀中最具場上影響力的球員。順便說一下，我也很看好小賈倫-傑克遜，但東契奇實在有點與眾不同。
If I was a GM, I’d have taken Luka 1st overall easily. He’s a facilitator who can play 1-4 in the modern NBA, and people are sleeping on his ceiling. Hawks are gonna look dumb in a few years.
如果我是經理，我會毫不猶豫地在第一順位選擇東契奇。他能在現代NBA中從1打到4，是球場發動機，人們低估了他的上限。不出幾年，老鷹就會（因放棄東契奇的決定）看上去很蠢的。
[–]MavericksPourGnawgraphy 115 指標 23小時前
Oh yeah. That’s the good stuff.
獨行俠球迷：舒服了。
[–]Kingsdelamerica93 741 指標 1 天前
God dammit guys stop please
國王球迷：求求你們憋說了。
[–]Otherwise_Window 98 指標 22小時前
Don't feel bad, the Kings really need a project big man with potential
別鬧心嘛，你王是真的缺一個需打磨塑造的潛力大個子。手動滑稽。
[–]Hornetsphiljacksonspeyote 70 指標 23小時前
I watched Bagley all year at Duke, he’s no scrub that’s for sure. If he can finish from both sides and/or start consistently hitting 3s he’ll be a monster.
層主：我看了巴格利在杜克一整年的表現。他絕對跟差勁扯不上關係。如果他能嫻熟地完成左右手終結，且/或能開始穩定地命中三分，他將會成為一個怪物的。
[–]Kingsdelamerica93 107 指標 23小時前
Yeah...I feel like the Kings have just had so many players with big what-it’s like that. Luka felt so...sure. If Bagley turns out great (he definitely might) I’ll never think about it again but right now it still hurts lol
國王球迷：是啊……我感覺國王有太多像這樣的“如果……就”的球員，而且“如果”還都挺大的。相比之下，東契奇給人感覺也太…..穩了。如果巴格利能變得很強（很有可能），我就不會再眼紅東契奇了，但現在我還是感覺很心痛。
[–]HostilesAhead_BF-05 618 指標 1 天前
The Hawks have a great future with Luka.
老鷹隊在東契奇的帶領下有一個光明的未來呀！
[–]Lakersjasonblohothemonster 172 指標 1 天前
Mavs should have traded up
獨行俠本應該向上交易選秀權，換來東契奇的！
[–]thevipeer 333 指標 23小時前
Hawks really dodged a bullet right there
老鷹真是躲過一“傑”啊。
[–]Hawksheathbadger 324 指標 22小時前
just fucking fade me for literally 20 years, i swear to god if he becomes a superstar and trae and our 2019 pick both bust i'll find another team. i don't think there's a single hawks fan who wanted trae over doncic.
老鷹球迷：特麼的直接讓我沉睡二十年吧。我發誓，如果東契奇最終成為超巨，而特雷-楊和我們交易來的那個首輪籤都水了的話，我就換主隊了。我覺得，沒有任何一個老鷹球迷在選秀前更想要特雷-楊而不是東契奇。
[–][SAC] De'Aaron Foxhammerific 168 指標 22小時前
We should've taken him to begin with
國王球迷：我王本該在一開始就選中東契奇的。
[–]KingsBigGreekMike 90 指標 17小時前
I will never recover from this. Vivek and Vlade spat in the face of prophecy. Mock the gods and suffer the consequences.
國王球迷：我可能永遠也緩不過來了。維維克（老闆）和迪瓦茨簡直是對著我王的“先知預言”吐口水啊。愚弄了上帝就等著忍受後果吧。[譯註1]
[譯註1]國外的國王球迷陣營中一直流傳的“預言”是今年會有一個新秀來拯救球隊，他就是東契奇。
[–]MavericksNsaniac 198 指標 1 天前
What a finish
獨行俠球迷：這最後射的一下真給勁兒啊！
[–]19ad9 106 指標 23小時前
Yup, I came too
是的，我也好了。
[–]ThunderLGN- 1090 指標 1 天前
I don't know who the Ducks are, but they're in trouble
我不知道北京鴨是什麼玩意兒，但是他們麻煩大了。[譯註2]
[譯註2]為夢之隊效力的巴克利曾在美國對陣安哥拉的比賽前如此回答記者的問題：“我不知道安哥拉是哪兒，但是他們麻煩大了。”
[–]Mavericksdookieerabillie 324 指標 1 天前*
they're actually keeping up with us lol. Solid team
edit: nvm
獨行俠球迷：不過北京鴨還真能跟我們有來有回的啊。這球隊水平可以。
補充：當我沒說。
[–][DAL] Dennis Smithlilzoe5 105 指標 1 天前
Probably because of the fouls being called every play lol
獨行俠球迷：可能是因為他們每次進攻都有哨子吧哈哈！
[–]LoyalarBurn 63 指標 1 天前
I mean they got demolished by an average Euroleage team by 40+ points 2 weeks ago, so they are not that solid I think.
這個……北京隊兩週前被一支歐洲聯賽平均水平的隊伍虐了40多分，所以他們的水平應該沒那麼強吧。
[–][DAL] Dirk NowitzkiEremenkko 193 指標 1 天前
Luka and DSJ need more of the ball in their hands.
獨行俠球迷：東契奇和丹尼斯-史密斯需要更多球權。
[–]76ersCollangelosCollar 37 指標 23小時前
They weren't using him much or something?
是你俠沒怎麼用東契奇還是怎麼的？
[–]MavericksZaiii 120 指標 23小時前
Wes Mathhews kept holding onto the ball too much.
獨行俠球迷：因為韋斯利-馬修斯太粘球了。
[–]MavericksZnelli96 856 指標 1 天前
Imagine if this man was at all fast
獨行俠球迷：如果這個男人速度再起來……嘖嘖。
[–]walkintall84 564 指標 1 天前
Let's wait 2 years of nba training and diet fixing. I think he can get quicker, stronger & more athletic all around.
耐心等兩年吧，看看接受了NBA級別訓練和飲食的東契奇的身體會有什麼進步。我覺得他會變得更快更壯。整體的運動能力也會有進步。
[–]MavericksOmfgHaxx 122 指標 1 天前
He'd be LeBron-esque if he had athleticism.
獨行俠球迷：要是他運動能力可以的話，那他就像詹姆斯啦。
[–][PHI] Joel Embiidxersiz 238 指標 1 天前
doncic + simmons = lebron
76人球迷：東契奇+西蒙斯=詹姆斯。
[–]Knicksanditcounts 77 指標 23 小時前
lebron + simmons = discount doncic
FTFY
尼克斯球迷：
應該這麼吹：詹姆斯+西蒙斯=弱化版東契奇。
[–]Warriorslegitness-strong 94 指標 23 小時前
If curry and klay have not taught you guys yet you dont need speed to dominate this league youll never learn. Quickness can be developed through training and developing a quick long first step and change of speed on hesitation and crossovers. Core strebgth helps which he still has allot of room to develop.
勇士球迷：庫裡和克萊的例子還不夠嘛？統治聯盟並不一定需要速度啊，你們怎麼就不長記性呢。速度可以通過訓練鍛煉出來，訓練也可以幫助你開發很快、邁得很遠的第一步，你還可以通過拜佛和變向來變速。核心力量很重要，在這方面，他還有很大的進步空間。
Hes a really good shooter (under rated imo) so you will have to close out strong on his already great stepbacks, which will open up the whole court and once his hesi's get better he is going to be a terror. His court vision is great already too to go along with a really good natural bball iq. He understand the game. He is going to be insanely good!
東契奇是個很棒的射手（我認為被低估了），而且他的後撤步本來就很出色，所以防守者需要緊貼撲防地更緊。這也就幫助東契奇創造了更廣闊的場上空間。一旦他的幹拔跳投變得更有準頭，他會變得很恐怖的。他的球場視野也已經很棒了，籃球智商也不錯。他能讀懂比賽。他會變得非常厲害的！
[–][PHI] Joel Embiidxersiz 231 指標 1 天前*
pure talent and skill there. you can't teach that.
76人球迷：這球展現了他純粹的天賦和技巧。這玩意兒沒法教。
[–]WarriorsWakingRage 74 指標 23 小時前
That's instinct. He knew exactly where he needed to hit that shot.
勇士球迷：這就是球場直覺，他清楚地知道自己需要在什麼位置命中投籃。
[–]MavericksBlackWhiteCoke 87 指標 1 天前
He’s only been used to winning his entire career. Going 38-44 and not making the playoffs will for sure light a fire under his ass next offseason.
獨行俠球迷：東契奇整個職業生涯都習慣於贏球。要是獨行俠今年戰績38勝44負沒進季後賽的話，他下個休賽期會狠狠地加把勁的。
[–]SpursPersianboy7thst 76 指標 23小時前
Almost every rookie is used to winning there whole career
馬刺球迷：幾乎每個新秀整個職業生涯（進入NBA前）都習慣於贏球啊。
[–]Pacerswldd5 125 指標 22小時前
Not on the level that Doncic has.
但都比不上東契奇的榮譽滿身。
[–]KnicksVyperpunkhunk 149 指標 1 天前
Where is that dude that said Luka has to improve his handling?
尼克斯球迷：那位說東契奇的持球還得再練練的老哥在哪呢？
[–]MavericksOmfgHaxx 173 指標 1 天前
He does let the ball get out of control at times but yeah he has some really crazy dribble moves. He's a good ballhandler.
獨行俠球迷：他確實有時會控不住球，不過，你說的對，他有一些很華麗的運球動作，他是位出色的持球者。
[–]Celticsmigibb 101 指標 1 天前
He did just try this move against a guard, instead of a slow big, and turned it over.
I don't think barely getting by Justin Hamilton in a preseason game is the time to declare the haters wrong.
東契奇本場比賽在面對一個後衛而不是移動緩慢的大個子時也嘗試做了主樓的這個動作，然後失誤了。
我覺得吧，在季前賽中勉強過掉賈斯丁-漢米爾段可不足以證明黑子們是錯的。
Luka Doncic NBA DEBUT 2018.09.29 Dallas Mavericks vs Ducks - 16 Pts, 6 rebs, 2 asts, 3 blks
盧卡-東契奇NBA首秀在2018月9月29日達拉斯獨行俠vs北京鴨的比賽中圓滿落幕——16分、6板、2助、3蓋帽。
虎撲新聞：https://bbs.hupu.com/23772034.html
[–]Sunssunsbr 484 指標 23 小時前
he played better teams in Europe
東契奇在歐洲可跟比北京鴨更強的隊伍們較量過啊。
[–]Mavericksgigantism[S] 249 指標 23 小時前
He's played the Thunder and Celtics before, too.
獨行俠球迷：他之前（在皇馬）也雷霆和綠軍交過手啊（季前賽）。
[–]_Machiavellius 619 指標 23 小時前
One step ahead of Simmons for ROTY this year.
在今年最佳新秀的爭奪戰中，東契奇目前領先西蒙斯一步哦。
[–][TOR] Pops Mensah-Bonsushakattack917 301 指標 23 小時前
That's fine, Simmons will just win again next year
猛龍球迷：沒關係，西蒙斯明年再贏回來就可以啦。
[–]MavericksOmfgHaxx 513 指標 23 小時前
I liked what I saw but I'd really like for the rest of the team to let him play-make more and be the primary ballhandler.
獨行俠球迷：感覺不錯，但我真的希望球隊其他人多讓東契奇組織進攻，讓他成為球隊首席持球人。
[–]Mavsrm93 398 指標 23小時前
Wtf was up with Wes playing like he thought he was Kobe?
獨行俠球迷：這特麼馬修斯打啥呢？以為自己是科比？？
[–]Mavericksdjb447 541 指標 23小時前
Contract year
獨行俠球迷：合同年到了。
[–]Mavericksdoncicismydaddy 131 指標 23小時前
This is correct. Expect to see more of it unfortunately
獨行俠球迷：說的對。很不幸的是，今年我們大概會看到更多這樣的情況。
[–]killbill469 123 指標 23小時前*
I understood Wes being more of a ball handler the past couple seasons because the Mavs really didn't have a good one besides JJ...but now we have 2 really damn good ones and he's still trying to dribble like Harden. Gtfoh Wes, go sit in the corner shoot your 3s and get back on D. He was great in Portland because he was a 3 and D guy, I hope he gets back to that.
獨行俠球迷：我理解，馬修斯過去兩個賽季持球打得更多，因為獨行俠除了JJ-巴里亞之外真的沒什麼靠譜的持球人了……但現在我們有了兩個非常棒的持球手，而他還在像哈登一樣運球。馬修斯你可特麼往邊上稍稍吧，老老實實站在底角等著投三分然後回防就完事了。他在開拓者打得很好，因為那時他只是個3D。我希望他能回到那個角色。
[–]MavericksOmfgHaxx 59 指標 22小時前
Carlisle needs to talk to him because he was ruining the whole flow of the offense while he was out there. Doncic and DSJ should be the ball handlers.
獨行俠球迷：卡萊爾需要和他談談了，因為他在場時毀掉了我俠整個進攻節奏。東契奇和丹尼斯-史密斯才應該持球。
[–]huntzy 259 指標 23小時前
Doncic isn't an elite athlete by NBA standards, but I think he looks less athletic than he is because he has an upright ball handling style kind of like Magic.
按照NBA的標準來看，東契奇的運動能力並不屬於精英級別的。但我覺得，他表現出的運動能力沒有實際強是因為他就是完完全全的持球型球員，就像魔術師那樣。
[–]T4Gx 110 指標 19小時前
How many people are even "elite atheletes by NBA standards". I'd argue guys like Steph Curry and James Harden aren't "elite athletes" if you compare then to guys like Westbrook and Lebron.
又有多少人的運動能力能達到NBA標準下的精英級別呢？如果你拿庫裡哈登和威少或詹姆斯這種怪獸來比的話，那我覺得庫登的運動能力也不算“精英級別”。
[–]KnicksAmbientHunter 82 指標 18小時前
Harden is absolutely an elite athlete. He ran a quicker 3/4 sprint than John Wall at the draft combine and has incredible body control & balance, and above average explosiveness. Harden's game might not look athletic, but don't let looks deceive you, the man is a monster athlete.
哈登絕對擁有精英級別的運動能力。他新秀體測四分之三全場的衝刺成績比沃爾還快。而且他還有不可思議的身體控制能力和平衡能力以及高於平均水平的爆發力。哈登打球時可能看著身體沒那麼勁爆，但別被眼前的景象矇蔽了，他的運動能力絕對是怪物級別的。
[–]rocklee_shinobi 71 指標 22小時前
Correction:
he doesn’t have elite quickness, explosiveness and vertical
but I’d argue his wingspan and frame are elite
so he could probably get to an above average NBA athlete level
糾正：
東契奇確實沒有精英級別的速度、爆發力和垂直彈跳；
但我認為他的臂展和骨架是精英級的。
所以他的運動能力大概可以超過NBA平均水準。
[–]NBAbayesian_acolyte 117 指標 22小時前
He also has elite body control and balance which are often overlooked parts of athleticism.
東契奇有精英級別的身體控制能力和平衡性，這兩點是大家經常忽略的運動能力。
[–]rocklee_shinobi 76 指標 22小時前
yup!
most people simply equate athleticism to vertical, speed or explosiveness. basically what is easy for the eye to see
stuff like body control, balance, acceleration / decceleration are a lot less obvious
in truth athleticism is really a lot of different attributes
說的對！
大多數人總把運動能力等價於垂直彈跳、速度或爆發力。簡單來講就是那些肉眼可見的。
但像身體控制能力、平衡性、加速/減速能力就沒那麼顯而易見，
事實上，運動能力是很多不同特質的集合。
[–]inefekt 66 指標 19小時前
Exactly. I don't understand this obsession with athleticism, as if you absolutely need it to be successful in the NBA. If you have elite skills and BBIQ then you don't need athleticism. Just look at Dirk, he's still an above average player if you look at his PER which was 1.7 above league average last season at age 39 and a vertical of about 6 inches.
完全正確。我不知道人們為何痴迷於運動能力，就好像那是在NBA中獲得成功所必需的。如果你有精湛的技巧和高超的籃球智商，那你就不怎麼需要運動能力呀。看看德克就知道了，如果只看效率值的話，他現在還是個高於平均水平的球員呢。上賽季39歲高齡的司機的PER仍比聯盟平均水平高1.7的效率值，然而不要忘了，他現在的垂直彈跳大概只有20釐米。
[–]SunsXinpoint1 271 指標 23 小時前
Luka Doncic is the real deal. I can see why people say he's slow because he seems to "lumber" as he's a legitimate 6'8", 230 lbs. But he's actually beating everyone down the court with the ball in his hands. He had several instances of gra*河蟹*g the defensive rebound, pushing the ball up the court, and the defenders were forced to intentionally foul because they couldn't stop him.
太陽球迷：盧卡-東契奇真的是塊兒璞玉。我明白人們為啥說他慢，因為他看起來有點“笨重”，畢竟他是實打實的2.03米外加200多斤。但他持球時還真的比場上的任何人都快。他本場很多次都能拿到防守籃板後直接快速帶球推進，而防守者只能故意犯規，因為他們根本攔不住他。
His handles/craftiness, passing, and shooting are on full display this game. 16 pts, 6 reb, 3 blk, 4 TO on 5-7 shooting, 3-4 from three (including a 30-footer).
他的控球/花活兒、傳球和投籃都在本場比賽展現得淋漓盡致。16分6籃板3蓋帽4失誤，投籃7中5，三分4中3（其中包括一個離筐9米的超遠投籃）。
Since the Suns play the Mavs in the season opener, I had some thoughts there: Trevor Ariza and Josh Jackson will need to work all game to shut him down in our opener. I have confidence in Ariza to slow him down, while a bit more worried about Josh because of the size difference and potential foul trouble.
由於太陽和獨行俠將在揭幕戰中對決，在此我有幾個想法：阿里扎和約什-傑克遜需要在揭幕戰整場比賽嚴防死守東契奇，徹底封鎖他。我對阿里扎能限制077還是有信心的，但我有點擔心傑克遜，畢竟他跟東契奇的體型有差距，而且還有可能受到犯規困擾。
While Doncic doesn't have an elite first step, he has elite handles and vision that either allows him to still get by the defender or make the best pass. Dude was #1 on my draft board for a reason, and he's showing it so far.
雖然東契奇沒有精英級別的第一步，他有超強的控球和視野，能幫助他能直接過掉防守者或者傳出好球。我當初認為他能當選狀元是有原因的，而他目前也向人們展示出了他的優秀。
[–]94savage 118 指標 23小時前
Luka has that magical bball IQ / awareness that you can't teach. I'm a believer now
東契奇神奇的籃球智商和意識是你教不會的，我現在信了他的邪啦。
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