Best Clutch-Time Player Efficiency Rating from the past season, Lebron's gap is quite huge.
上赛季关键时刻最高效球员榜单：勒布朗-詹姆斯遥遥领先。
[–]helloworldkittycats 386 指標 12小時前*
What if Bron and Kyrie were on the same team? Could you imagine the kind of security blanket?
如果老詹和欧文在一个队的话会怎么样啊？你能想象他们大后期有多稳吗？
[–]CavaliersMuffinatin 261 指標 11小時前
Damn they could probably pull off some crazy comebacks
骑士球迷：我去你这么一说还真是啊，他们俩一起搭档应该能上演惊天大翻盘吧。
[–]Warriors Bandwagonijudgekids 205 指標 11小時前
Maybe from 2:0 or 3:2. There is no way they could pull from 3:1
勇士球迷：可能会在0：2落后或者2：3落后的时候翻盘吧。如果一比三落后的话肯定没戏了。
[–]ClippersBEEEEEEEEWBS 103 指標 11小時前
But I bet they can't do it in the Finals against the Golden State
快船球迷：但是我敢打赌，他们在总决赛遇到勇士的时候肯定翻不了。
[–]RaptorsThe_Natural_Log 137 指標 11小時前
If they somehow beat GS in the Finals with a 3-1 comeback (which is impossible), the only way GS could save face is if they signed an MVP, like Kevin Durant, which again, would never happen.
猛龙球迷：如果他们竟然能在总决赛面对勇士一比三落后的情况下翻盘（肯定不可能的），那么唯一能帮助勇士挽回脸面的事情就是再签下一名MVP，比如像杜兰特这种的球员。当然了，这肯定是不可能的。
[–][HOU] Clint CapelaDickInLebronsAss 82 指標 10小時前
imagine if they easily run through the playoffs for a few years and then they sign someone like demarcus cousins
火箭球迷：再想想如果勇士这阵容在季后赛里横着走了几年以后又签了个大表妹这种级别的球员的话该是什么景象？
[–]RocketsHyperactivity786 290 指標 16小時前
Cavs were a REALLY good clutch team last year, and as you would expect LeBron was ridiculously good in the clutch last year.
火箭球迷：去年的骑士关键时刻是真的强，所以老詹去年关键时刻这么给力也是理所应当的呀。
[–]CavaliersFL14 69 指標 10小時前
It was remarkable how calm LeBron was in clutch time. There were points in the season where we just knew he'd make the crucial shot to either tie or break a tie for the lead. He hit, what, 7 game winners last season? It was amazing.
骑士球迷：老詹在关键时刻那么镇静真是太神奇了。在上赛季有那么几段时间，我们看球的都知道詹姆斯肯定能投进那些关键球，不管是为了打平还是取得领先。他上个赛季好像投中了7个绝杀（包括季后赛）？太屌了。
[–]MisterHibachi 63 指標 10小時前
LeBron's a cheat code in that he's at a point mentally where's he's seen everything an NBA team can throw at him in every possible situation but he still is close to the height of his physical powers. Most players when they have LeBron's command of the game (which aren't many) are too broken down physically to do anything with it.
老詹现在就是个金手指了。他的大脑已经见过所有NBA球队能对他用的招数了，而且同时他的身体还是接近巅峰的状态。大部分拥有老詹控场能力的球员（没多少个）在到他这个阶段的时候身体已经跟不上了。
LeBron's staved off the physical decline while accelerating the mental progress. It's a cheat code. It's also the reason why LeBron plays better in a series the longer it goes.
老詹不仅把身体能力下降这部分给划掉了，同时还加速发展自己的心理素质。这妥妥的金手指啊。这也是为啥季后赛系列赛越往后打他越强。
[–]Banner_Hammer 113 指標 12小時前
But n0 cLuTCh g3n3!!!!
说“詹姆斯没有关键先生基因”的人出来走两步。
[–]LakersMedievalGynecologist 56 指標 12小時前
Genuine question, do people still say this? I haven't heard this take from a semi rational person in years
湖人球迷：我真的想问一下，现在还有人这么说嘛？我已经好几年没从稍微理智点的球迷的嘴里听到这种观点了。
[–]morfenstein 50 指標 12小時前
My brother only watches warriors games and we’ve definitely had the argument recently :/
我兄弟只看勇士的比赛，我们最近为了这件事还争论了一番 :/
[–]LakersMedievalGynecologist 40 指標 12小時前
Did he watch the finals? LeBron was an absolute monster, but I suppose since he didn't win you could convince yourself he's not clutch.
湖人球迷：他看决赛了吗？老詹可是打疯了啊。但是他最后确实没赢下来，所以你也能骗自己说他没大心脏。
[–]morfenstein 44 指標 11小時前
Exactly. And he’s biased against him so he probably believes stuff he hears from Skip.
对呀。而且他对老詹有偏见，所以他估计相信Skip Bayless（美国第一詹黑）说的东西.
[–]KingsIswaterreallywet 19 指標 12小時前
I mean their are people on the internet that like to march around and say it but I don’t think any of them have an IQ above 50.
Also, I don’t know if you saw Skips reaction after those game winning shots in the postseason but his excuses for why Lebron still isn’t clutch were the dumbest things I’ve probably ever seen. It makes you wonder how he gets paid to talk about sports
勇士球迷：网上的确有这种人这么说老詹（没关键时刻基因），但是我估计他们智商都没超过50吧。
而且我不知道你看没看Skip Bayless在老詹季后赛绝杀后的反应，但是他对老詹为什么没大心脏的解释应该是我见过的最蠢的东西了。有时候我真的不知道为啥会有人给他钱让他评论体育。
[–]Raptorspleasefeedthedino 181 指標 17小時前
LeBron and AD are Klutch, the other guys are regular clutch
猛龙球迷：老詹和浓眉是真的大大心脏（Klutch）[译注1]，其他人也就一般大心脏。
[译注1]指代老詹和浓眉签约的体育经济公司Klutch Sports。
[–]JMess007 36 指標 12小時前
Surprised Dame ain't on this list
利拉德不在名单上也是有点让我惊讶。
[–]Lakersimadogg 16 指標 9小時前
Anecdotally speaking with no stats at hand to back it up, Dame just seemed off last year to me more often than ever. I used to say he was AUTOMATIC but feel like I saw several times where he didn't come through at the end.
湖人球迷：大家都是感觉利拉德关键时刻很NB，但却没有数据支持这个论点啊。他去年的状态我老感觉不太对。我以前会说他在关键时刻百发百中，但是去年我觉得有几次我看他在最后垮了。
[–]Warriorsgoshdarnyou 11 指標 11小時前
Could these 5 beat the Warriors?
勇士球迷：榜上这五个能打赢勇士吗？
[–]Raptorsliamliam1234liam 11 指標 11小時前
Tough to say. They individually have more overall talent, but the spacing would be trash.
猛龙球迷：难说啊。这几个人的个人天赋能力加起来更高，但是场上空间不太行呀。
[–]klawhileonard 16 指標 6小時前
This is literally the most overused argument ever when asking if a hypothetical team can beat the warriors. Just because they’re not 5 Steph Currys doesn’t mean players like Lebron Kyrie and even AD aren’t competent 3 shooters that can provide spacing if needed. It’s not like it’s 5 Ben Simmons out there
没空间这个论点应该是“某五个人能不能打赢勇士”争论里最被高估的一个论据了。说得好像因为他们不是五个库里所以就没空间一样。像欧文，詹姆斯，甚至浓眉都算是很好的射手，需要的话也能提供空间。这又不是五个西蒙斯啊。
[–]ma-key-in 50 指標 12小時前
Why he didn’t win MVP is a mystery.
老詹为啥没拿下MVP也算是个迷了。
[–]Jackalope0331 52 指標 11小時前
We take LeBron for granted, we’re just used to him being absolutely dominant and don’t give him the accolades he deserves.
我们已经习惯詹姆斯的统治力了，所以没给他应得的荣誉啊。
[–][BOS] Tayshaun PrinceCelticsfor18th 27 指標 10小時前
Because he had a month with the worst +/- in the entire NBA while Harden led the team with by far the best record and was statistically superior as well? The only argument I can see for LeBron over Harden is that he played 10 more games which is a fair point but Harden was better in the time he played in and it shouldn’t be a mystery.
凯尔特人球迷：因为他有一个月拿了NBA最差的正负值，同时哈登带队帮火箭冲到了联盟第一，而且数据也比老詹好？老詹唯一比较出彩的是他比登哥多打了10场比赛，但是登哥出场的时候打得更好啊，这有啥迷的。
[–]Sneaky___ 18 指標 10小時前
Because James harden was just as good as lebron and was on a team that finished better.
You can debate what the true meaning of what MVP should be(I think we've been doing it wrong), but if you really can't see why James Harden won it, then IDK what to tell you
因为哈登常规赛表现完全不逊詹姆斯，而且火箭最后的战绩也比骑士好。
你可以争论MVP的定义到底是什么（我觉得现在的标准不对），但是如果你真的不懂为什么哈登能赢，那我是真的不知道怎么聊了。
[–]sapphiretears_ 65 指標 17小時前
now try a stat that’s not terrible
可以，要是楼主引用的这个PER数据不糟糕透顶的话就更好一些了。
[–]Heatqwerty7990 23 指標 17小時前
Lol since when was PER terrible? Are you trying to say that this post is misrepresenting LeBron as the best clutch player in the league? Did you even watch last season?
什么时候PER糟糕透顶了？难道你是说这帖子是在误导大家觉得詹姆斯是最大心脏的球员？咱去年看的是一个赛季吗？
[–]sapphiretears_ 92 指標 17小時前
PER is like the worst “advanced” stat in basketball i thought this was common knowledge
在篮球世界里，PER效率值还真的是最垃圾的“高阶”数据啊。我还以为这是常识呢。
[–]PelicansGood_NewsEveryone 120 指標 17小時前
PER was created heuristically. It was basically John Hollinger assigning weights to things as he saw fit. Now we have things like BPM (box plus minus). BPM is based off of RAPM (regularized adjusted plus minus) to assign it’s weights.
效率值(PER)是一边试一边改这么弄出来的。差不多就是John Hollinger根据他的经验给不同数据不同的比重，没有那么精细。现在我们有了综合正负值（BPM）啊。综合正负值是根据 RAPM（调整后的正负值）来给数据不同的比重的。
RAPM takes play by play data to get all of the players on the court and track point differential to see how each player effects plus minus while taking into account who is on the court with them. For BPM they calculated RAPM for player’s using 14 years of data and then found how much box score stats correlate to RAPM. The goal here is 1) to estimate RAPM for players before play by play is available (late 90’s) 2) have a sort of computational shortcut for current players.
RAPM收集了每个回合的数据，容纳了所有在场的球员，计算分差然后来看每个球员对分差的贡献，同时，他也考虑到了跟该球员同时在场的其他人的影响。BPM的话，就是用一共14年的数据计算球员的RAPM，然后看这个数据和普通基础数据统计之间有多大的相似性。这么做的目的是：1）计算在没有每回合数据之前的球员的RAPM（90年代后期）2）为现役球员建立一个电脑计算式的简化公式。
TLDR: PER was calculated by a sort of common sense approach, while more modern metrics like BPM derive their coefficients from a legitimate statistical process.
总结：PER的计算方法更基于“常识”的渠道，现在的高阶数据，比如BPM吧，是用可靠合理的的数据计算体系来设置系数的。
[–][GSW] Klay ThompsonMrVanillaIceTCube 75 指標 13小時前
A 30 PER season has only been done 20 times in NBA history. Wilt has the record, with 31.8.
According to Hollinger, a PER of 10 corresponds to a fringe roster player, a PER of 30 corresponds to a strong/runaway MVP candidate. 50 is way off the charts.
PER is kinda dumb but still, this is pretty nuts.
勇士球迷：NBA历史上有20次达到30的PER赛季。张伯伦的31.8是历史纪录。
根据Hollinger的解释，PER为10的球员算是个边缘角色球员，30的话是争夺MVP的热门，50的话就太恐怖了。
PER是个挺愚蠢的数据没错，但楼主列的榜单也太不可思议了。
[–]Supersonicsjessezoidenberg 39 指標 12小時前
honestly, this makes me question the validity of using PER with these constraints more than anything else
说实在的，这只会让我怀疑使用PER的合理性，考虑到有这么多限制。
[–][GSW] Harrison Barnesgatx370 24 指標 11小時前
I mean using PER in this situation is about as valid as using Per 36 on the final five minutes of the game, so however you would interpret that, it’s about the same
勇士球迷：在这种情况下使用PER就和把最后五分钟的数据变成每36分钟的数据一样合理啊，所以不管你怎么看，其实都差不多啊。
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