欧文为地平说言论致歉;他是真的阴谋论者还是只在故意开玩笑?

Kyrie apologizes for saying the Earth is flat

欧文为自己的地平说言论致歉。

视频链接:欧文为地平说言论致歉>>

欧文为地平说言论致歉;他是真的阴谋论者还是只在故意开玩笑?

“At the time, I was huge into conspiracies. Everybody’s been there. Everybody’s been there like, ‘Whoa! What’s going on with our world?!”

那会儿,我对各种阴谋论非常入迷。大家都有过那个阶段,感叹世界上有太多不为人知的奥秘。

“At the time, you’re like innocent in it, but you realize the effect of the power of voice. Even if you believe in that, just don’t come out and say that stuff – it’s for intimate conversations because perception while you’re received changes. I’m actually a smart-ass individual … At the time, I just didn’t realize the effect … I’m sorry about all that….

在那时,我感觉自己是天真无邪的,但同时我又意识到了自己话语的影响力。我意识到,就算你相信地球是平的,那也不要站出来直接就这么说——这属于私密谈话的内容。因为你的认知是会改变的。我实际上真的是个机灵鬼……在那时,我只是没意识到我的话会有很大影响力……我对此感到抱歉……

“So I’m sorry about all that: all the science teachers coming up to me going ‘You know I have to reteach my whole curriculum.’ I’m sorry! I apologize. I apologize.”

所以我对那一切感到抱歉。好多科学老师都跑来跟我说,因为我,他们要重教孩子们整个课程。所以,对不起,我道歉,我道歉。


[–][UTA] Mehmet Okurkiticus 3766 指標 3小時前

Lol, apologizes for saying it, says he learned to keep his opinions to "intimate conversations", and NEVER actually says that he DOESN'T think the earth is flat!

Kyrie, you're a real character! Haha

哈哈,欧文为自己说地球是平的致歉,表示自己学会了把观点保留在“私密谈话”中,但却丝毫没有表示自己不相信地球是平的啊!

欧文,你是真的有个性啊哈哈。

[–]iguot3388 819 指標 3小時前

Getting intimate w Kyrie: "baby lets pour that wax all on me"

Kyrie: girl dont you think parkland shooting was a false flag

一个姑娘与欧文在一起时气氛很私密:“宝贝,把蜡都浇在我身上吧。”

欧文:“姑娘,你不觉得帕克兰枪击案是扛着红旗反红旗的反装忠事件吗?”

[–]BucksPantherU 216 指標 1小時前

Girl: "Oh Kyrie, I can't believe how hot you get me baby"

Kyrie: "GIRL JET FUEL DOESN'T BURN HOT ENOUGH TO MELT STEEL"

姑娘:“噢,欧文,我不敢相信你会让我的身体如此滚烫,宝贝。”

欧文:“姑娘,航空煤油燃烧的温度并不足以熔化钢铁啊!(代指911阴谋论)”

[–]Rocketspipsdontsqueak 1054 指標 3小時前

He used to be big into conspiracies back then. He still is, but he used to be too.

欧文以前热衷于阴谋论。他现在也还热衷于阴谋论,但是他以前也热衷。[译注1]

[译注1]美国喜剧演员Mitch Hedberg的经典段子:“我以前吸毒。我现在也还吸毒,但是我以前也吸。”(I used to do drugs. I still do, but I used to, too)


[–]deck13 313 指標 4小時前

This is all a part of the conspiracy, they now want you to think that Kyrie no longer thinks that the world is flat lol

这些都是阴谋的一部分,【他们】现在想要【你们】以为【欧文】不再觉得世界是平的了。嚯嚯。

[–]Lakersram0h 69 指標 3小時前

I actually think this was the best way forward. If he is still really skeptical about certain things it is on him, but he now realizes the impact sharing his opinions to the masses are, and that he will refrain to do that with things he doesnt feel like he can do with certainty

我真的觉得欧文这样留一手的道歉方式是最好的。如果他依旧对某些事情有所怀疑,那是他自己的事,但是他现在至少意识到了自己向民众分享观点时能产生的影响,他也意识到了以后对自己不确定的事发表言论时会有所克制。

[–]Nosalis2 74 指標 3小時前

He's just saying this so everyone can finally hop off his dick & stop asking him about it in every single interview.

他这么道歉就是为了大伙儿终于可以不就这个事纠缠他,不再在每次采访中都问他这个问题。

[–]BucksTheGoldenSSTicket 123 指標 3小時前

Tbh he should have saw that coming. If you say some irrational shit you should be prepared to take the consequences

说真的,欧文之前就该预见到现在的情形了。如果你说了一些荒谬的言论,那你就应该准备好接受相应的后果。

[–]CelticsEmiajbeau 79 指標 2小時前

Unless you are the president. Point guards though, society's true leaders, better watch it.

凯尔特人球迷:除非你是总统。不过控球后卫可是社会真正的领导者,那最好要管住自己的嘴。手动狗头。


[–]LakersSomeGuyInSanJoseCa 464 指標 4小時前

Eh, that was more of a round-about apology.

额,这个道歉的过程还真是拐弯抹角啊。

[–]Spurswidelyruled 272 指標 3小時前

I too noticed he never explicitly retracted his position that the world is flat -- just that he's sorry about the perception and effect.

我也注意到欧文没有明确地否认自己认可地平说——他只是为人们的认知和该言论产生的影响而抱歉。

[–]Mavericksclonemusic 116 指標 3小時前

Also made sure to mention how smart he is lol

而且他还没忘了提到自己有多聪明哈哈。

[–]Trail Blazersmm825 92 指標 3小時前

I WENT TO YALE

我可是上了耶鲁![译注2]

[译注2]最高法院法官提名人Brett Kavanaugh在听证会的拙劣表现引起各方调侃。在为针对自己的性侵指控辩解时,他提到自己上了耶鲁,努力取得了优异成绩。

[–][PHI] JaVale McGeebrady25 309 指標 3小時前

“I'm actually a smart ass individual”

Kyrie Irving, 2018

“我实际上真的是个机灵鬼。”——凯里-欧文说于2018年。


[–]BucksHard4Favra 856 指標 4小時前

Big whiff for the "he's just trolling guise" crowd.

这不打了那群说欧文“只是在哗众取宠”的人的脸嘛。

[–]bowmanc 163 指標 3小時前

I think Kyrie is just a blurry creature, it is not the defenders fault

我觉得欧文这个人是捉摸不透的,不能赖为他辩护的人啊。

[–]mrilly 309 指標 3小時前

This dude follows a ton of flat earth IG pages

欧文可关注了好多有关地平说的Instagram账号啊。

[–][LAL] Didier Ilunga-Mbengahonditar 171 指標 3小時前*

holy shiiiit lol he is actually dumb confirmed

sooooo many Celtics fans tried tellin me he was trolling smh

湖人球迷:我勒个去哈哈哈哈,欧文是个蠢货无疑了。

还有那么那么多凯尔特人球迷曾试着告诉我说欧文是在哗众取宠而已。唉呀呀。

[–]RaptorsVinceJumpmanCarter 86 指標 3小時前

According to himself, he's actually a smart-ass individual. He'd fit right in here at r/nba

根据欧文本人的原话,他实际上真是个机灵鬼。所以他跟咱话题区是完美契合啊。

[–]LarBrd33 102 指標 1小時前*

Look, if he's trolling it's a pretty fucking pointless trolljob since all it's doing is making people question his intelligence.

凯尔特人球迷:这么说吧,如果欧文是在哗众取宠的话,那他的做法也太TM没意义了,因为地平说事件起的所有作用只是让人们质疑他的智商。

This all started in the Road Trippin podcast where he was candidly talking to his teammates about Aliens and his conspiracy theories. I suggest people listen to it if they haven't heard it in-context: https://youtu.be/mzjL9JxSFAk?t=748. In it, he made it clear that he's a big time conspiracy theorist. In every single interview this has been brought up since, he's either reiterated that he genuinely believes the world is flat - or slightly changed the subject to express his frustration that people look at him as unintelligent for having different beliefs.

这件事始于《Road Trippin》播客的一期节目,欧文坦率地和他的队友们谈论外星人还有他的各种阴谋论。如果你们还没有听过的话,我建议大家结合上下文听一听那段内容。

YouTube链接:欧文做客播客节目《Road Trippin》>>

在这段内容中,欧文明确表示自己是个大阴谋论者。从那以后,在每次采访中,这件事都会被提及,欧文要么重申自己真的相信地球是平的,要么稍稍变个话题,表达自己的沮丧之情——因为自己有不同的信仰,人们都把他当傻子看。

At the time this made news, it wasn't just that he thought the world was flat. He was clearly a big time conspiracy theorist. He doubted the moon landing. He said that Alien movies were proof they existed since "nobody is that creative". He questioned who was behind the deaths of JFK and Bob Marley.

这条新闻出来的时候,内容可不光是“欧文认为地球是平的”。他明显是个超级阴谋论者。他质疑登月的真实性。他说外星人电影是外星人存在的证据,因为“没有人能那么有创意”。欧文还质疑约翰-肯尼迪和鲍勃-马利遇害的真相。

He even questioned the authenticity of Dinosaur bones. People looked at his instagram and twitter and it was clear he had been following conspiracy theory pages for years - so he obviously had a passionate interest in this stuff. It's also fair to note that Kyrie reportedly belongs to Carl Lentz evangelical celebrity cult "hillsong church" where they believe in creationism - so it's fair to say Kyrie just distrusts Science in general.

他甚至质疑恐龙骨骼的真实性。人们当时查了他的Instagram和推特,显然,欧文之前已经关注阴谋论的页面很久了——所以他显然对这些内容充满了兴趣。同样值得注意的是,据报道,欧文属于Carl Lentz福音派名人团体“新颂教会”,这个团体信仰神造论——所以,说欧文总体上不相信科学还是有依据的。

Even in this interview, he at no point says he doesn't believe the world is flat. He's doing the same thing he always does - changes the subject to express his frustration that people think he's unintelligent for having alternate beliefs:

即使是在这次采访中,他也没说过自己不相信地球是平的。他做的事儿跟他以前一直做的一样——改变话题,表达自己的沮丧感:人们因为自己信仰不同而把自己看成傻子。

""Even if you believe in that, don't come out and say that stuff. That's for intimate conversations because perception and how you're received, it changes. I'm actually a smart-ass individual,"

“我意识到,就算你相信地球是平的,那也不要站出来直接就这么说——这属于私密谈话的内容。因为你的认知是会改变的。我实际上真的是个机灵鬼。”

""At the time I didn't realize the effect. I was definitely at that time, 'I'm a big conspiracy theorist. You can't tell me anything.' I'm sorry about all that. For all the science teachers, everybody coming up to me like, 'You know I have to reteach my whole curriculum!' I'm sorry. I apologize. I apologize,"

“那个时候,我并没有意识到会有什么影响。我那个时候的心态肯定是‘我是个大阴谋论家。你跟我说什么都没用’。所以,我为所有的这一切感到抱歉。我向所有的科学老师道歉,大家都跑过来跟我说,‘你知道么,我得重新教一遍我的整个课程!’对不起,我道歉,我道歉。”

Once again, nowhere in here is he saying "I was trolling" or "it was a joke" or "i believe the world is round now". He's actually just confirming once again that he genuinely believed in those conspiracy theories and presumably still believes in them. He's apologizing to teachers for forcing them to change their curriculum.

又一次的,欧文在本次采访中完全没有说过“我当时只是在哗众取宠而已”或者“那只是个玩笑”,或者“我现在相信地球是圆的”。他只是再次证明了自己当时真的相信那些阴谋论,而且可能现在仍然相信它们。他只是在向老师们为他们不得不改变整套课程这一原因而道歉。

If anything, he's just quadrupling down on something he already triple downed and double downed on last year. The guy believes the world is flat. It is what it is.

如果这次采访传递了什么信息的话,那就是他再次强调了他去年就已经一遍遍重复过的内容。欧文相信地球是平的。这就是事实。

I personally think it's a weird belief, but the dude still is an awesome basketball player, seems like a great person, and seems thoughtful and intelligent. The GM of our team is a Mormon Bishop. Some of the beliefs in Mormonism are fucking batshit crazy insane in my opinion - but I still see Danny Ainge as a genius. And no, I don't think Danny is "trolling". Whatever.

我个人认为这是个奇怪的信仰,但是欧文仍然是个出色的篮球运动员,而且看起来是个不错的好人。他看上去有思想,有智慧。我们球队的总经理是个摩门教主教。在我看来,摩门教的一些信仰简直太TM疯狂了——但是我仍然觉得丹尼-安吉是个天才。而且,不管怎么说,我并不认为安吉在哗众取宠。话说完了。


[–][NYK] Kyle O'Quinnbdoded 249 指標 4小時前

OK u can come to the knicks now

尼克斯球迷:好的,现在你可以来尼克斯了。

[–][BKN] Vince CarterJeffKaplanIsDaddy 192 指標 4小時前

"I'm good"

-Kyrie

篮网球迷:

“算啦。”——欧文。

[–]PistonsCrispyBalooga 140 指標 4小時前

he STILL never said he didn't believe it lmaooo

他还是没说自己不相信地平说啊哈哈哈哈哈哈。

[–]poopfeast180 142 指標 4小時前

hes apologizing for saying it kek.

i dont get it man i just dont get why he believes it.

哈哈,欧文只是在为自己那么说而道歉啊。

我就不懂了,我真的不懂为啥他会相信地球是平的啊。

[–]PistonsCrispyBalooga 111 指標 4小時前

he watched a youtube video that told him the government was lying to him, apparently that's good enough for him

他看过一个YouTube视频,上面告诉他政府在对他说谎,显然那个视频的内容对他来说已经足够优质了。

[–]Rocketsdepressiown 328 指標 3小時前

A lot of these conspiracies take hold with people because folks want to feel smart. If they think they know something that goes against the majority of what society believes/knows, they think they're in some sort of exculsive super-smart club. Smarter than the average bear, because only they know this thing. I have to believe a lot of flat earthers and moon landing deniers fall into this category of person.

很多阴谋论观点抓人心是因为人们想要觉得自己很聪明。他们觉得,如果自己知道一些和社会相信/知道的主流观点相左的东西,那他们就是某个智力超群的特殊圈子一员,那他们就觉得自己要比一般人要聪明,因为只有他们知道这样的事情。我真的相信很多地平论者和否认登月者都属于这类人。

But no, sometimes ideas aren't accepted by society because they're fucking stupid and demonstrably false. They are objectively wrong. Even giving these ideas the time of day is harmful, not intelligent. It's not open-minded, it's just dumb.

而且,有时候,一些观点并不被社会接纳是因为它们实在太愚蠢了,明显是错的。它们在客观上就是错误的。给这些观点存在的机会都是不明智、危害社会的。接纳这类观点不是思想开放,只是在犯蠢而已。


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