中國象棋的起源是哪？
這個問題乍一聽肯定有人噴小編：中國象棋當然起源於中國啊，那不然是哪？
事情是這樣的。
在外網的一篇帖子引發了中印網友互懟，起因就是一位印度網友認為中國象棋起源於印度，中國抄襲了印度的作品。中國人能接受象棋其實不是中國發明的，而是源自印度的這個事嗎？
象棋一詞最早出現於戰國時期。《楚辭·招魂》中就對其形制以及玩樂方法作過專門記載:"蓖蔽象棋，有六簿些;分營並進，道相迫些;成梟而牟，呼五白些。"意思是說，用玉石(即蓖)做成的相當於骰子。(即蔽)大小的象棋，每方共有6顆;比賽的方法是分曹並進。(指必須兩人或兩組對局聯賽)，相互進攻，逼迫對方於死路;最後是贏者"牟"(指成倍)取勝利。擊敗了敵兵(春秋時兵制，以5人為伍)，而發出了勝利的歡呼。
所以，中國象棋起源於中國，沒毛病啊~~
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以下是中印網友評論：
[–]gereedf[S] 2 指標 6小時前 （那個印度人）
Do the Chinese people accept that Xiangqi wasn't invented by them but came from India?
中國人能接受象棋其實不是中國發明的，而是源自印度的這個事嗎？
[–]phatriceUnited States 2 指標 7小時前
Not according to Wiki so you need to cite your sources
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xiangqi?wprov=sfti1
不是根據維基百科得到的內容，你得標明引用來源。
[–]gereedf[S] 2 指標 6小時前
so how do you explain the similarities between xiangqi and the chess from India?
那麼你如何解釋中國象棋和起源於印度的國際象棋之間的相似之處？
[–]chinaxiha 2 指標 6小時前
so you have no sources but only facially looked at both games and say they are similar and therefore china copied india.
你沒有任何可靠來源，你不過是比較了下兩個棋種的外觀，就覺得它們之間有相似之處，因此得出了中國抄襲印度的結論。
[–]gereedf[S] 2 指標 6小時前
so you believe that both originated independently?
所以你是認為兩者的起源不同？
[–]chinaxiha 1 指標 6小時前
i have no idea. i'm open to xiangqi being from india. i would love to have some source.
我不知道。我對中國象棋起源於印度的說法持開放態度。但我希望有確鑿的消息來源。
[–]gereedf[S] 2 指標 6小時前
look at the moves of the elephant/bishop the knight and the rook and their positions.
no way they originated independently
看看象與主教，騎士與車的移動方式和位置。它們的起源不可能不是一家。
[–]RedditIsBreaddit 2 指標 6小時前
Cite your sources please!
請註明你的消息來源出處！
[–]gereedf[S] 0 指標 6小時前
how about you give me an explanation?!
要不你先給我個解釋？！
[–]phatriceUnited States 1 指標 6小時前
According to wiki Indian chess is much more similar to Western chess than Xiangqi are you talking about something else?
根據維基百科，相比於中國象棋，印度象棋和西洋棋更相似，你還有別的可說嗎？
[–]gereedf[S] 2 指標 6小時前
I'm not talking about Western why is Xiangqi so similar to the Indian Chess? how do you explain that?
我沒說西洋棋，我是問為什麼中國象棋和印度象棋這麼像？這你該如何解釋？
[–]phatriceUnited States 1 指標 4小時前
How is this:
http://pic.wumaow.org/d/file/p/201806/12101405_f520.jpg
Similar to xiangqi? It's far more similar to the western chess
這個（如圖）跟中國象棋哪裡像了？和西洋棋更像好不好。
[–]gereedf[S] 1 指標 4小時前
dude I wasn't talking about Western.
but if you've played the Indian or Western variants you know there's no way them and xiangqi don't have a common origin.
哥們，我沒在說西洋棋啊。但如果你玩過印度或西洋棋的各種變體，你會意識到它們三個肯定有共同起源。
[–]chinaxiha 0 指標 6小時前
jesus christ this thread is like a hindu nationalist shitshow.
我的天啊，這個帖子就像個印度民族主義者的垃圾個人秀。
[–]gereedf[S] 2 指標 5小時前
but you are a Chinese nationalist in denial
那你就是個拒絕接受事實真相的中華MZ主義者。
[–]gereedf[S] 1 指標 6小時前
but it's a fact
但這是事實。
[–]kongfu_xiongmao 1 指標 6小時前
If you believe it’s a fact. It has to be a fact.
如果你“覺得”這是個事實。那它就是事實。
[–]chinaxiha 0 指標 6小時前
i will gladly say this is a fact if you show me some source.
you can't come here and say because they look the same so it came from A.
如果你能拿出引用來源證明你的觀點，那我會欣然接受這個事實。你不能來這兒張口就瞎說，僅因為它們看起來像，所以它們都源於A。
[–]gereedf[S] 2 指標 6小時前
then what they both originated independently?
那又怎樣，難道他們都是單獨起源的？
[–]chinaxiha 1 指標 7小時前
source on xiangqi not invented by Chinese? You mean Chess or Xiangqi?
請你給出象棋不是中國人發明的出處。你指的是中國象棋還是國際象棋啊？
[–]gereedf[S] 1 指標 5小時前
well xiangqi is a type of chess
中國象棋只是國際象棋的一種類型。
[–]gereedf[S] 0 指標 7小時前
the concept of chess which xiangqi comes from did not start with the Chinese but with Indians.
中國象棋源自於國際象棋，象棋的概念不是從中國來的，而是印度。
[–]chinaxiha 0 指標 6小時前
source?
cause my source:
Xiangqi dates back to the Warring States period; according to the first-century-BC text Shuo yuan (說苑/說苑) it was one of Lord Mengchang of Qi's interests.[10] Emperor Wu of Northern Zhou wrote a book in AD 569 called Xiang Jing. It described the rules of an astronomically themed game called xiangqi or xiangxi (象戲/象戲). The word xiàngqí 象棋 is usually translated as "elephant game" or "figure game" because the Chinese character 象 means "elephant" and "figure"; it originated as a stylized drawing of an elephant and was used to write a word meaning "figure" likely because the two words were pronounced the same.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xiangqi#History
麻煩給個來源？
象棋的歷史可以追溯到戰國時期；根據公元前一世紀的文字資料說苑，下象棋是齊國孟嘗君的興趣之一。[10]公元569年，北周武帝邕編寫了一本名為《象經》的書。該書記錄了一種以天相為規則的，叫做象棋或象戲的遊戲。 xiàngqí這個詞通常寫作“象棋”或“相棋”，因為中文中“象”的意思是“象”和“相”；它起源於大象的標準化形象，並常寫作“相”，因為兩個字的發音相同。
[–]gereedf[S] 0 指標 6小時前
but that game by the name of xiangqi was not a form a chess.
when chess came from India to China Chinese chess adopted the name of the older game.
但這個名為象棋的遊戲用的不是國際象棋的形式。當象棋從印度傳入中國的時候，中國象棋則採用了老遊戲的名字。
[–]chinaxiha 1 指標 6小時前
source?
來源依據呢？
[–]gereedf[S] 2 指標 6小時前
how do you explain the similarities between xiangqi and the chess from India?
你怎麼解釋中國象棋和源自印度的國際象棋之間的相似之處？
[–]chinaxiha 2 指標 6小時前
er.. isn't chaturanga international chess? Xiangqi is different?
Is there a cannon in xiangqi?
呃……不是“恰圖蘭卡”國際象棋嗎？與中國象棋不一樣不是嗎？中國象棋裡有炮嗎？
[–]Jman-laowai 0 指標 6小時前
From the article:
" is an ancient Indian strategy game which is commonly theorized to be the common ancestor of the board games chess shogi sittuyin makruk xiangqi and"
文章裡說：“理論上說，通常認為古印度策略型遊戲，是棋盤類遊戲的祖先，如日本將棋、緬甸象棋，泰國象棋，中國象棋......”
[–]chinaxiha 1 指標 6小時前
there's literally a "citation needed" to where you cited that source. Nice of you to ignore that.
很明顯，你所引用的資料來源本身就“需要引證”。我欣然看你忽視了這一點。
[–]Jman-laowai 1 指標 6小時前
You're just butt hurt because your ancestors weren't smart enough to invent chess (or xiangqi AKA inferior chess copy)
你不過是感到丟臉，因為你的祖先不夠聰明，發明不了象棋（或者中國象棋，也被稱為山寨劣質象棋）。
[–]chinaxiha 1 指標 6小時前
ah finally. the true purpose of this thread.
to show indians are smarter than chinese. lol.
dude come back in 50 years when india has actually made some real achievements. I believe india is a great country and will be great but not now. come back then.
啊，終於來了。這篇帖子的真正目的。就是想顯示印度人比中國人聰明。呵呵。夥計，等50年後，印度真的做出很多實質性的成果後你再來辯吧。我相信印度將是個偉大的國家，但不是現在。等（你們真正強大的）那個時候再回來吧。
[–]gereedf[S] 2 指標 6小時前
we're not talking about today but about something that happened hundreds of years ago.
look at Europeans. they are proud and racist but even they cannot deny that they didn't invent Chess.
我們談論的不是現在，而是幾百年前發生的事情。看看歐洲人。他們自大且種族歧視，但甚至是他們也不會否認自己沒有發明象棋的這個事實。
[–]Jman-laowai 2 指標 5小時前
Wow that really would have hurt my feelings if I was actually Indian. I just enjoy watching ethno-Nationalists getting in butthurt arguments about who invented some shit 3000 years ago that no-one outside those countries cares where it originated from.
哇，如果我是印度人，這真可能會傷到我的心。我僅僅是喜歡在一旁看戲，看民族主義者爭論誰在3千年前發明了這些狗屁玩意，這是個除了你們這些國家之外沒有人關心的傻問題。
[–]enxiongenxiongUnited States 1 指標 7小時前
Chinese chess isn’t from China? Is Japanese chess also not from Japan?
中國象棋不來自中國？那日本象棋也不來自日本嗎？
[–]gereedf[S] 2 指標 6小時前
the idea of chess came from india
[–]enxiongenxiongUnited States 1 指標 5小時前
And?
然後呢？
[–]gereedf[S] 1 指標 5小時前
so I'm asking whether most Chinese people accept that
所以我問大部分中國人能否接受（象棋不是中國發明的這個事實）。
[–]enxiongenxiongUnited States 3 指標 5小時前
The idea of India came from the British. Does India have its origins in England?
印度這個國家的概念源自英國。所以印度是起源於英格蘭嗎？
[–]gereedf[S] 1 指標 5小時前
before the British there were the Mughals and the Maurya.
you believe that the Indians copied the Chinese? nonsense.
在英國來之前，古印度有莫臥兒王朝和孔雀王朝。你相信印度抄襲中國？說什麼傻話，真是天真。
[–]gereedf[S] 2 指標 7小時前
it certainly originated from India and was brought to China
毫無疑問它起源於印度，並且被傳入中國。
[–]enxiongenxiongUnited States 5 指標 7小時前
So since Indo-European languages originated in Caucasia English originated in Armenia?
既然印歐語系起源於高加索語系，所以英語起源於亞美尼亞語？
[–]gereedf[S] 2 指標 6小時前
lol. the idea of chess different types of pieces a king to defend a grid and rows of opposing forces did not spring from the brain of a Chinese man but from an Indian.
Xiangqi came about when the Chinese first encountered the Indian invention.
哈哈，象棋的玩法中，不同的棋子中，國王用於防守，棋盤佈局和一組對手，這並不是中國人的靈感，而是印度人的。當中國人第一次見到印度發明的這個遊戲時，象棋就出現了。
[–]enxiongenxiongUnited States 1 指標 6小時前
Ok cool. TIL English is Armenian.
好啊，不錯，今天我知道了英語原來源自亞美尼亞語。
[–]gereedf[S] 1 指標 6小時前
English and Armenian are like European chess and Chinese chess.
英語和亞美尼亞語就好比西洋棋和中國象棋。
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