Wilt Chamberlain toying with opponent defences
威爾特-張伯倫戲耍防守。
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[–]BlackHandSerb 202 指標 22小時前Shit Vlade Divac and Sabonis used to do
日，曾經的弗拉德-迪瓦茨和老薩博尼斯也是個中好手啊。
[–]Pelicans BandwagonTuutori 63 指標 18小時前
Sabonis :'( was lucky to see him play. Such game IQ
鵜鶘球迷：唉薩博尼斯:'( 真的有幸能親眼見證他打球。難以置信的籃球智商。
[–]Blackmanwdaplan 46 指標 17小時前
I listened to Lowes podcast with Jackie yesterday and they talked at length about their book and about Sabonis? So he was basically a really good player Shaq, Hakeem level and got an injury and was never the same? Or am I getting the story wrong?
昨天Jackie上了Zache Lowe的播客節目，然後兩人主要的討論內容是他們的書和薩博尼斯。基本上，他們的意思是當年的薩博尼斯就是鯊魚、大夢這個級別的傑出球員，但在一次重傷之後就英雄不復以往了。這是真的嗎？還是他倆講錯了？
[–][BOS] Jaylen BrownSoshi101 97 指標 17小時前
Spent his prime stuck in the Soviet Union because of the Cold War. Came to the NBA as soon as he could, but was so old and banged up at that point that one of Portland's doctors said that Sabonis could get a handicap parking pass if he wanted to just by applying as he was.
凱爾特人球迷：因為冷戰，巔峰期的薩博尼斯不得不受困於蘇聯國內。當他終於能來美國後，他第一時間進入了NBA，但彼時已是飽經風霜。甚至連一位開拓者的隊醫都說，以薩博尼斯當時的健康狀況，直接去申請殘疾人停車位都不是問題。
[–]lavta 27 指標 13小時前
Came to the NBA as soon as he could
Not true, he played in the ACB for 6 seasons. Could play in the NBA in that period. He just didn't. Chased the Euroleague title with Real, won in 1995 and then came to the NBA. He had lost the Euroleague final once before in 1986 against Drazen's Cibona in a historic final in his prime with Zalgiris.
“當他終於能來美國後，他第一時間進入了NBA”
並不盡然啊，薩博尼斯在西班牙籃球聯賽還打了6個賽季。那段時間他已經可以登陸NBA了。但是老薩沒這麼做。他決定留在皇家馬德里俱樂部去爭奪歐洲冠軍，並在1995年拿到冠軍獎盃後才趕赴美利堅。薩博尼斯曾在1986年那場史詩級的總決賽中憾負於德拉岑-彼得洛維奇領軍的Cibona俱樂部，那是他唯一一次輸掉歐冠，而那時的薩博尼斯正處巔峰期，為Zalgiris俱樂部效力。
[–]NuggetsOkAutopilot 52 指標 17小時前
He played for the Soviet Union who wouldn't let him come over to play in the NBA. He was one of the best players in the world at the time and would routinely decimate the USA Olympic/world teams when they'd play, along with the competition he faced in Europe.
掘金球迷：薩博尼斯當時為蘇聯效力，而蘇聯不允許他去大洋彼岸的NBA打球。他是當時世界上最好的球員之一，在奧運會上碾壓美國隊和其他國家隊是日常操作，而面對歐洲聯賽裡的競爭時他也遊刃有餘。
By the time he could come play in the NBA he was 31 years old and coming off an achilles injury which could be a career ender at 7'3"/300lb today let alone in 1995. Despite that he played 6ish twilight years in the league and showed flashes of brilliance even though he was devoid of most of his athleticism by that point.
等到1995年薩博尼斯正式成為一名NBA球員，他已是31歲高齡，並遭受過一次對於身高2.21米體重136公斤的大中鋒來講極有可能終結職業生涯的跟腱傷勢，即便在醫療技術已有長足進步的今天亦是如此。就算他的運動能力在那時已經幾乎喪失殆盡，在薩博尼斯整個職業生涯暮年短短的6個NBA賽季裡，他依然給我們留下驚鴻一瞥。
His prime in Europe he was a 25/13/3/1.5/2.5 guy on 50-60%/35-45%(less than two attempts a game)/75%. Definitely an all time great who would have translated and been an incredible player.
在歐洲打球的巔峰薩博尼斯場均能交出25分13籃板3助攻1.5搶斷外加2.5蓋帽的數據單，投籃命中率在50%-60%左右，三分命中率為35%-45%(場均出手數不足兩次)，罰球命中率75%。他絕對是不世出的偉大球星，能跨越時代打出極佳表現。
[–][PHI] Allen IversonMagicZombieCarpenter 19 指標 12小時前
The people on this sub act like the Russians beat him with clubs every day and forced him to smoke and eat poorly.
Fabulous player but it was 1980’s sports medicine, not the Russians, that kept him from being the player he could’ve been.
話題區的各位都搞得好像俄羅斯人天天拿棒子掄薩博尼斯，不給薩博尼斯飽飯吃還強迫他天天抽菸一樣……
薩博尼斯是卓越的球員，但讓薩博尼斯無法東山再起的並不是殘暴的俄羅斯人，而是80年代糟糕的體育醫藥環境。
Also, having saw all 3 men play extensively I would put him just below the Shaq, Hakeem level.
另外，作為見證過三人大部分比賽的球迷，我會把薩博尼斯排在比鯊魚和大夢稍稍靠下的位置。
[–][CLE] Kevin LoveYvonaukon 533 指標 22小時前
God damn he was a huge milk man
哎呦我去，這個送奶工可真大隻。[譯註1]
[譯註1]很多球迷對那個年代籃球的常見批評：很多球員是兼職，為了養家餬口，他們很多人都有正經的工作，比如消防員、郵差等。但這種批評後來被放大並黑色幽默化，就成了那時的球員都是日常送奶送報紙的。
[–][LAL] Kyle KuzmaJoshTheLakerFan 149 指標 21小時前
His milk delivery skills per 40 are unmatched
每40分鐘的牛奶配送技藝無人能及。
[–][MIL] Malcolm BrogdonBart_Dart 35 指標 21小時前
Every time I see Wilt highlights I’m amazed at how long his fucking arms are.
每次看到張伯倫的高光集錦，我都會感慨於他的胳膊是真特麼長啊。
[–]Thunderjust_let_go_ 46 指標 16小時前
That off ball movement though holy. Never see teams doing that any more.
天吶……看看其他隊員在無球狀態下的跑動。現在沒有哪支球隊還會這麼做了。
[–][CLE] Kevin Lovequentin-coldwater 28 指標 13小時前
In several of the clips those defenders just flat-out lose their man. I'd say that off ball movement is more an example of exploiting poor defense than anything else.
這些視頻片段裡，我看到的是那些防守球員直接就丟掉了他們的防守對象。我覺得吧，這些無球跑動更多說明的是那會兒的防守有多可憐，而不是其他的什麼（張伯倫的策應有多出神入化）。
[–]Pacersluckster44 11 指標 13小時前
Is this meant to be good basketball? The reason you don't see stuff like this anymore is because it can't work against real NBA players. Also this insane off-ball movement you guys are talking about is just defenders not being able to stick with anybody and a weak team defense strategy. 60's players were great for their time, but to compare Wilt to LeBron, Jordan, Shaq, etc. is silly.
樓主發這些是想說這籃球打得真棒嗎？我們現在再也看不到低位的中鋒這麼玩是因為在面對真正的NBA球員時它並不管用啊。另外，你們掛在嘴上的什麼“這些圖裡的無球跑動太不可思議了”是因為這些防守人沒辦法緊盯任何一個進攻球員，是差勁的團隊防守策略。60年代的球員對於他們的時代來說是挺偉大，但是把張伯倫和詹姆斯，喬丹，奧尼爾來比就太蠢了。
[–]cissplurkerrr 11 指標 12小時前
guess bill russell wans't a real nba player...
那照你這麼說，也許比爾-拉塞爾也是個假的NBA球員吧……
[–][NYK] Jeremy Tylerd_reim 185 指標 22小時前
Javale Mcgee, circa 2018-19
以上錄像其實出自2018-2019NBA賽季的傳奇中鋒賈維爾-麥基
[–]76ersProcessTruster 118 指標 22小時前
Somewhere Jahlil Okafor is wondering why palming the ball the same way doesn't get him the same success.
76人球迷：地球上某個小角落，賈希爾-奧卡福正在納悶自己也能這麼抓球但為啥沒法復刻張伯倫的成功呢。
[–][LAL] Brandon IngramHolyRomanPrince 67 指標 16小時前
He could start by eventually passing the ball
湖人球迷：他可以先從把球傳出去開始。
[–][CLE] LeBron Jamesrzpieces 50 指標 12小時前
Bro he’s 20/10 rolling out of bed not 20/10/1
人奧卡福是早上一睜眼剛下床就能穩定送出20+10的球員，你怎麼能用20+10+1這種數據羞辱他。[譯註2]
[譯註2]奧卡福選秀前的原話，稱自己早上起床出門就能穩定貢獻20+10。
[–]Knicksanditcounts 92 指標 20小時前
Wilt actually played for the Harlem Globetrotters, so he knew how to clown fools.
尼克斯球迷：張伯倫可是在哈林花式籃球隊打過的，他知道怎樣戲耍傻帽。
[–][SAS] Francisco Elson8coffeesandcounting 336 指標 21小時前
He's toying with his own team too lmao
他也戲耍了隊友啊2333333。
[–]WarriorsGucciGaropp 47 指標 10小時前
Honestly this would be so frustrating in a pick up game.
Like damn man I used 60% of my energy reserves cutting to the basket instead of floating around 19 feet away from the basket and you didn't even give me the ball.
老實講打野球的時候遇上這種隊友挺扎心的。
比方說，我本可以在離籃筐六米元的地方接球投籃悠哉遊哉，結果我特麼的用了六成的體力來往不停往籃下切入，結果還有可能接不到你的傳球。
[–]Firefox23459 84 指標 14小時前
MJ on Wilt: “...I’ve always said Wilt Chamberlain never could average 50 points a game today. He couldn’t even lead the league in scoring. What could I have scored playing against John Stockton every night with no double teams? I’d stand in the post and score every time I touched the ball. That’s not much different than what Wilt did. You want to see Wilt Chamberlain in today’s game? Look at Shaquille O’Neal. That’s a modern version.”
喬丹對張伯倫的評價：“……我總是說張伯倫在現今沒可能場均拿到50分的。他甚至拿不到聯盟的得分王。想想看如果我是和約翰-斯托克頓對位而且沒有包夾的情況下我能拿到多少分？我會紮在低位，每個回合都能得分。這和張伯倫當時面對的防守情況別無二致。你們想看到張伯倫出現在如今的賽場上是什麼盛況？看沙奎爾-奧尼爾的比賽就行了，他就是張伯倫的現代款。”
This is from MJ’s book For the Love of the Game.
Wilt probably could lead the league in scoring today, but Mike has a point.
上面的內容來自喬丹的書《因對籃球的熱愛）（For the Love of the Game）。
也許張伯倫放到今天能拿得分王，但是喬丹的觀點也不無道理。
[–]MavericksWarheart666 54 指標 13小時前
As if Wilt was just left alone in the paint all the time and not double or triple teamed...
Besides there is no way to prove claims on how players would fare in different eras, it's all speculation
喬老爺子這說得好像張伯倫在禁區裡就沒有面對任何防守，也從沒被雙人或是三人包夾過一樣……
而且想要證明球員們在不同的年代會有何種表現是完全不可能的，都是猜測罷了。
[–]Narnak 35 指標 13小時前
Wilt's center competition in the 60's was actually pretty strong...the 60's decade probably had the 2nd best centers after the 90's. MJ is talking some shit here, though Wilt saying he could average 70 is also talking shit. But pre-injury Wilt could definitely lead the league in scoring. He's a stronger longer faster better jumping version of Shaq.
60年代，張伯倫在中鋒位置上面對的競爭其實十分激烈……60年代也許擁有著除過90年代四大中鋒以外最好的兩人了。雖然張伯倫說他場均能拿70分是瞎掰，但是喬丹這波評論我也不敢恭維。不過受傷前的張伯倫拿得分王絕對是探囊取物。老張就是更高更快更強壯還更能蹦的鯊魚。
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wm1-jzpr_hU
[–][TOR] Jonas ValanciunasDavidKirk2000 21 指標 12小時前
Jordan would refuse to believe that someone could out score him in his prime. And honestly, I don’t think anyone could.
喬丹拒絕相信任何球員能在得分方面戰勝巔峰期的自己。老實講，我也不覺得誰可以。
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